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>> and by the way, he's okay. he's a little sore from diving in there. >> that's it for us. "special report" is next. this is a fox news alert. i'm bret baier in washington. we have three major stories tonight. duelling speeches by the major party candidates on race and temperament. hillary clinton says donald trump's slogan should be "make america hate again," while trump calls clinton a bigot. we're pressing the white house to explain how president obama made a $1.3 billion payment to iran after saying he had to use cash for $400 million transfer just two days earlier. at the same time, iran harasses more u.s. warships. plus, a new court ruling in the clinton e-mail case. and we have new information tonight about the extraordinary
lengths hillary clinton and her team went to make sure no one could find the thousands of e-mails she deleted after her run at the state department and after finding out congressional committees wanted access to those e-mails. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is here with our top story. >> reporter: a senior republican on the house government oversight committee, who has read the fbi investigative file, says clinton's team used a technology called a bleach bit, that permanently scrambles the data. >> they didn't just push the delete button, they had them deleted where even god can't read them. they were u something called bleach bit. you don't use bleach bit for yoga e-mails or for bridesmaid e-mails. it is something you really do not want the world to see. ro ro roim>> reporter: that's a striking claim. last year, clinton seemed to claim ignorance. >> did you try to wipe the whole
server? >> you know, i have no idea. that's why we turned it over -- >> you were the official in charge. did you wipe the serveer? >> what, like with a cloth or something? >> and congressman cou maman go to cast doubt on the fbi's claim there was no criminal intent. fbi agents never pressed clinton on why she set up the server. >> he said he didn't go forward with charges because she didn't have specific criminal intent. i didn't see any questions on that. she said she did it for convenience, but i didn't see the followup questions in the interview i read. >> reporter: republicans say the destruction of clinton records after they got requests from congress use thing technology bleach bit, shows intent to obstruct congress and intent to destroy government records. bret? >> the head of wikileaks on "the kelly file" last night, threatening to release more clinton documents. >> reporter: the founder of
wikileaks confirms that he has more documents. they are verifying the authenticity and plan to release them before november. >> i don't want to give the game away, but a variety of different types of documents from different types of institutions that are associated with the election campaign, by some quite unexpected angles that are quite interesting. some even entertaining. >> reporter: the wikileaks e-mails have impact forcing the resignation of the head of the dnc, debbie wasserman schultz, after it was shown that the dnc gave special treatment to hillary clinton in order to block rival democratic candidate bernie sanders. bret? >> one more thing i mentioned at the top of the show, the courts have now weighed in on a new batch of e-mails from the state department. what did they rule? >> reporter: the most significant decision affects the 14,900 emails recovered by the
fbi. the judge ruled that the state department has until september 13th to showy e-mails are government related and the chief of investigations at judicial watch told fox news their records about benghazi were among the deleted files. >> catherine, thank you. hillary clinton is attacking donald trump over something most americans had never heard of a month ago. as we told you last night, it's called the alternative right, alt-right for short. and today, clinton painted trump as the leader of a new vast right wing conspiracy that she said was the fringe taking over the gop. jennifer griffin has that story tonight from reno, nevada. >> reporter: hillary clinton is back on the offensive, accusing donald trump of "taking a hate movement main stream" during a speech in reno, nevada. >> this is someone who retweets white supremacists online, like the user who goes by the name
"white genocide tm." trump took this fringe bigot with a few dozen followers and spread his message to 11 million people. >> reporter: she hit trump on the support he receives from the so-called alt-right movement, led by trump's new ceo steve bannon, the former editor of breitbart. >> to give you a flavor of his work, here are a few headlines they've published. and i'm not making this up. "birth control makes women unattractive and crazy." would you rather your child had feminism or cancer? gabby giffords the control's human shield. >> reporter: a new video illustrates the kkk's support for clump. >> the reason a lot of klan members like trump is because a lot of what he believes, we believe in.
>> reporter: about a dozen anti-clinton protesters protested what critics call pay to play arrangements between clinton's state department and the foundation. clinton rebutted stories last night that she gave access to foundation donors. >> i know there's a lot of smoke and there's no fire. this a.p. report, it excludes nearly 2,000 meetings i had with world leaders, plus countless other meetings with u.s. government officials when i was secretary of state. >> reporter: clinton would not take questions shouted to her about the foundation and her relationship to it. she did, however, push back on the conspiracy theories about her health, laughing in fact at national enquirer stories that donald trump likes to quote about her health. a new quinnipiac poll shows her with more than 50% of likely voters nation wide, and that
she's leading ten points over donald trump in that new poll. >> jennifer, thank you. what do you think of the alt-right movement? how do you view that movement? let me know at twitter -- on twitter @ bret baier. last night, donald trump called clinton a bigot. today, he continued to try to turn the race issue to his advantage. john roberts is with the trump campaign tonight following a rally this afternoon in manchester, new hampshire. >> thank you. >> reporter: it was a preemptive strike against what could be a damaging attack from hillary clinton. donald trump warning his supporters in new hampshire she was about to call them racists. >> to hillary clinton and her donors, and advisers, pushing her to spread smears and her lies about decent people, i have three words -- i want you to
remember these three words -- shame on you! >> reporter: the clinton campaign is battling back against trump's new outreach to minority voters. >> donald trump would be best for the job. >> reporter: in a new video attempting to link trump to kkk. trump insists this is the last refuge. >> this is just the beginning of the dirty things they'll do. that's what you're seeing, desperation. >> reporter: as much as trump is trying to keep the focus on hillary clinton, immigration keeps creeping back into the headlines. >> to take a person that's been here for 15, 20 years and throw them and the family out, it's so tough, mr. trump. i have it all the time. it's a very, very hard thing. >> reporter: trump's self-described softening on what to do about the millions of people who have entered the country illegally stands in sharp contrast to what he said
about his opponents in the primary campaign. >> the weakest person on this stage by far on illegal immigration is jeb bush. he's so weak on illegal immigration, it's laughable. and everybody knows it. >> reporter: the pivot on immigration provoked howls from some of those opponents. an ally of ted cruz told fox news, trump's shifting on this issue is no different than if ted cruz were to support obamacare. it's a complete reversal on the promise he made to the primary voters who elected him. and this from jeb bush. >> all the things that donald trump railed against, he seems to be morphing into kind of disturbing. >> reporter: even trump's most staunch supporters seem alarmed and it's failed to silence his detractors. a group of undocumented immigrants protested at trump tower today.
>> just because you're talking louder than me don't make you right. >> reporter: the clinton campaign is clearly alarmed by donald trump's new outreach to minority voters. since he undertook that pivot, his poll numbers in places like north carolina have now moved from outside to well within the margin of error. and trump will very soon embark on a tour of inner cities in places like detroit and cleveland to talk about things that are very important to african-american families, including charter schools and economic empowerment. >> john, thank you. just to go to show you the end of the road is coming soon, members of the trump and clinton teams met today with white house officials as part of the transition process. among the topics, the administration's transition activities to date including an overview of agency planning efforts, gsa-led transition team support, emergency preparedness,
personnel on boarding processes. yes, it keeps going. upcoming milestones for the teams that will take over the white house. new charges of hypocrisy are swirling around the clinton campaign tonight. they have to do with hillary clinton's contedom nation of for-profit universities and trump university in particular. >> reporter: hillary clinton's official schedule for august 17, 2009 lists a small, private dinner at the state department closed to the press for experts in higher education. two weeks earlier, according to an e-mail, mrs. clinton e-mailed cheryl mills, ordering her to invite someone from the institution that the secretary called the fastest growing college network in the world. it's for-profit model that should be represented.
lauryette has donated $4 million to the clinton foundation. eight months after mrs. clinton's private dinner, laureatte hired clinton as honorary chancellor. the job paid mr. clinton $17.6 million over five years, and he stepped down from it. >> i'm running from president. >> reporter: 12 days before his wife launched her campaign for the white house. >> it clearly shows she intervened on behalf of a for-profit organization and her family personally benefitted to the tune of over $17 million. they got wealthy off of what appears to be her enter vepgs and including this organization in a very exclusive club. >> reporter: in a statement, he said the former president
visited 19 campuses in 14 countries, across a five-year term that expired when it did by previous arrangement. the state department said it couldn't say what was going through mrs. clinton's mind when she made a point of including laureatte at a state department dinner. >> the state department engages with business leaders, think tanks, you know, speakers, commentators on a range of issues. >> reporter: a spokesman for the clinton campaign told me any linkage of the hiring of the former president and secretary clinton's private dinner is "absurd." the campaign adds the fact that mrs. clinton has take an tough stand on some for-profit colleges acting in a predatory way, shows that she did not allow her husband's contract to influence her decisions. while bill clinton says the foundation will no longer accept
foreign donation it is his wife becomes president, there's already a possible exception. the clinton health access initiative has not decided whether it will cut off that major source of its funding. also tonight, chelsea clinton does not plan to follow in her father's footsteps and resign from the foundation board if her mother wins in november. tensions in the persian gulf on the rise tonight. new confrontations between the u.s. navy and vessels from iran, adding to a growing list of iran's provocative actions. but this time shots were fired. kevin corke has the latest tonight from the white house. >> reporter: good evening, bret. the late nest a long list of provocations by the iranians. as you pointed out, the u.s. ship firing three warning ships at an iranian vessel that engaged the u.s. patrol, about 200 yards away from the iranians when they were forced to fire those warning shots. this is not the first time we've
heard about this, not even this week. there was another engagement that happened on wednesday when four iranian boats came within 300 yards of the "uss nitz." the u.s. says the iranians were acting in an unprofessional and unsafe manner in that instance. >> there's questions about the president's comments about the $400 million in cash and the subsequent u.s. payments to the islamic republic. >> reporter: the senior administration officials are telling me tonight the president didn't lie when he said the administration had to send $400 million in cash to the iranians because we don't have an existing banking relationship with them. that was supposed to be the initial payment to pay iran back for that money that they spent here in the states back in 1979, a deal fell through, of course. we've talked about that at length. but what's interesting is, that question became relevant because it was later revealed that the
administration was able to utilize a central bank to make 14 payments totalling $1.3 billion to the iranians. we don't know if that took the form of cash or check or an eft, electronic funds transfer. but here's what the president said about the cash payment on august 4th. >> the reason that we had to give them cash is precisely because we are so strict in maintaining sanctions and we do not have a banking relationship with iran, that we couldn't send them a check. and we could not wire the money. >> reporter: so here's how the deal played out. let's walk you through it. on january 17th, the administration sent that $400 million in cash, a combination of foreign currency and euros for that deal back in '79 that fell through. two days later, the u.s. paid another $1.3 billion in interest, using a still yet unnamed central bank to facilitate that transaction,
that $1.3 billion coming from the so-called judgment fund broken up into 13 dapayments, jt shy of $100 million and a 14th payment for $10. was it a cash or a check? we don't know, because the white house refuses to say. >> we haven't been as specific about the mechanism of the payment for the $1.3 billion in interest other than to say we had a similar arrangement with a central bank, also unnamed, to move money from the judgment fund to complete the commitments that we made in the context of this financial settlement. >> reporter: a number of questions remain notably, why not name the central bank. bret? >> kevin, thank you.
vice president joe biden says he expects guantanamo bay terror prison to close before he and president obama leave office. opponents oh of that move say it's not going to happen. pentagon producer lucas tomlinson looks at the final months of a battle that's been waging since day one of the obama presidency. >> that is my hope and expectation. >> reporter: the vice president answering whether the guantanamo bay military detention center will be closed by the time president obama leaves office. one gop senator had a one-word answer -- nope. critics say only hard core jihadists are left there, some that could return to terrorism. >> president obama's only task force determined most of the remaining detainees are too dangerous to transfer. a lot of these detainees are now being approved for transfer. >> reporter: earlier this month, the pentagon transferred 15 detain
detainees. 61 remain, 20 now eligible for transfer. the republican chairman of the house armed services committee reacted to the vice president's comments in a statement to fox news. >> there are some detainees at guantanamo bay who should not be released, and he has no plans to release them. but he believes that it can be done safely and perhaps more economically to house those detainees in a facility here in the united states. >> reporter: this week, abu zabada faced a board. has close laden. his profile sheet says he was generally aware of the 9/11 attacks and some of his former colleagues continued to engage
in terrorist activities. the review board will determine his fate in the coming months. bret? >> lucas, thank you. more on this with the panel. up next, what if bernie sanders held a revolution and nobody stayed? first, here's what some of our fox afill yats are covering. fox 19 in cincinnati where three people have died in more than 60 heroin overdoses this week. on average, two deaths and 20 overdoses are reported per week in hamilton county. authorities are trying to determine if they are linked to a particularly potent batch of the drug. the overdose outbreak began saturday. fox 59 in indianapolis with the cleanup after tornadoes and dangerous storms in and around kokomo. 15 people were injured but nothing serious and no fatalities. the mayor says 220 people were placed in emergency shelter last night. this is a live look at orlando from fox 35. one of the big stories there
tonight, orlando health says it will not bill any of the victims of the pulse nightclub shooting for their medical care. the hospital says it's pursuing other methods of payment, but it says it expects to incur more than $5 million in unpaid costs. that's tonight's live look outside the beltway from "special report." we'll be right back. once i started building the tree, ancestry helped me find out that military service goes into my family pretty far back. that makes you more proud to be an american and more proud to be a veteran. i served in iraq in tikrit in 2009. when i took the ancestry dna test, i mean a few results came up that were really shocking. 11% of me comes from the part where i had served. we all come from such different backgrounds that you never know. get the deeper story of you at ancestry. get started for free at ancestry.com.
america's election headquarters in depth tonight. bernie sanders' new political organization is barely a day old, and there's already major trouble on the horizon. the selection of a controversial figure to run the group has led to a mass exodous of staff. doug mckelway has the story. >> reporter: bernie sanders promised when he conceded defeat
and endorsed hillary clinton for president that his dream would live on in a new organization to fund progressive candidates and causes. last night he kept his promise. >> tonight i want to introduce you to a new independent, non-profit organization called our revolution. which is inspired by the historic bernie 2016 presidential campaign. >> reporter: having won 22 state primaries, 13 million votes and the adoration of young crowds, his rollout of our revolution was anti-climatic. eight staffers resigned en masse before last night. sanders set up our revolution as a tax exempt organization, which allows it to raise big donations, so-called dark money. which may be illegal. >> if we wanted to get involved in mostly issue advocacy but
some candidate election work, we could set up a c-4, but senator sanders is different. he's a federal office holder. we have laws intended to prevent corruption. >> reporter: "the new york times" reported that our revolution employees accused sam weaver of wasting money on television advertising and he mismanaged campaign funds and failed to effectively target voters. weaver, who described bernie sanders as a champion of truth, justice and the american way, owns a comic bookstore in virginia. and the vermont gop is asking for an investigation of his exceeding $1,500 contribution limit. >> senator sanders, who preaches against big money in politics, has used his 5 million strong list in order to skew a local senate race. he ended up inserting a record
setting amount of money into this local race. >> reporter: the senator and his wife also just made a cash purchase of a $600,000 vacation house. his third. neither sanders nor our revolution responded to our request for a comment. our revolution has already 61 candidates lined up on its website for financial support, including city council, state representatives, 12 for the u.s. house and one for the u.s. senate, that being russ feingold of wisconsin. bret? >> doug, thank you. stocks were off today. the dow dropped 33. the s&p 500 lost 3, the nasdaq was down 5 1/2. officials in brazil's justice department want a word with american swimmer ryan lochte. a police official tells fox news lochte will be summoned to give testimony back in brazil. lochte has apologized for what he termed an overexaggeration of an incident at a rio gas station. he officially said he and three
others were robbed at gunpoint. video indicated the four swimmers had a confrontation with armed security guards. the ground is still shaking in central italy. that is making rescue efforts following yesterday's deadly earthquake more difficult. and time to find survivors is running out. john huddy reporting again tonight from italy. hello, john. >> reporter: the ground has hit rally been shaking. there have already been several tremors earlier this evening, now into the overnight hours, creating more concerns among those that continue to search for survivors. i want to show you this, the brick, the mortar, the concrete continues to pile up. if you follow me down here quickly, you can see some of the excavators here digging slowly, pulling away some of the concrete chunks there looking
for people. but the chances of finding people buried beneath the rubble alive are seemingly decreasing by the hour. a child's school books lay among the debris of what was once an apartment complex in amatrice. it was destroyed by the earthquake wednesday morning. search and rescue teams continue to look for survivors as people wait and hope for some sign of life. like a 10-year-old girl teams pulled from the rubble last night. one of the few tales of survival. today, some people were briefly allowed back into their homes to collect valuables, like those in the small town, also decimated by wednesday's earthquake with much of it looking like it was ground into ash. this man said his family was too afraid to return home, sleeping in his car instead. like so many others, they fear
another massive earthquake. their fears heightened by the constant after shocks. a strong 4.3 tremor struck central italy again today, sending rescuers scrambling, and warning journalists and bystanders to leave the base of the mountainside town immediately, because it was crumbling. and back here on the ground, you can see the excavator slowly pulling away the concrete. this has really been the scene since wednesday morning. what they do is they'll go in, remove the degree, stop, the crew also go in and try to call out and see if they hear any sign of life. but again, the chances of finding somebody continue to decrease by the hour. now as we go into the third day of searching, we're getting to that critical 72-hour mark. still, there's a lot of hope. officials are quick to point out that back in 2009, after a major
earthquake here in central italy, they did find somebody after 72 hours being trapped underneath the rubble. so hope remains. time is of the essence, however and time is running out. let me show you this real quick, bret. they have a lot to work with. this used to be an apartment complex. now you see the devastation that it's become. bret? >> john huddy live in italy friday morning. john, thank you. the terror attack against the american university in afghanistan was much worse than we initially were head to believe. conor powell has the numbers tonight from our middle east newsroom. >> reporter: as students gathered for classes in afghanistan's most prestigious university pd night, three militants stormed a rear gate. the first attacker detonated a car bomb, then two more rushed in with guns, shooting randomly at the more than 700 afghan students and their international teachers gathered at the u.s. sponsored university.
some managed to escape when they heard the gunfire. >> we jumped from the second floor and escaped through the gateway. >> reporter: other students who remained trapped for nine hours as the fighting continued, they texted their loved ones. >> she was worrying and crying, telling me, please pray for me, because maybe this is my last time that i talk to you. >> reporter: at least 13 people were killed, including seven students, one professor, multiple security guards and the assailants. more than 30 were injured. among the dead, a stanford university educated lawyer who recently returned to kabul to teach. the obama administration condemned the attack. >> an attack on a university is an attack on the future of afghanistan. >> reporter: this latest blood shed comes as the security situation in afghanistan worsens. the taliban, who have not claimed responsibility for the
attack, have, however, seized control of several key areas in helmand province. the pentagon voiced its support for the afghan security forces. >> we don't believe that the situation is as dire as portrayed in the press. >> reporter: in a clear sign of concern, the pentagon sent 700 u.s. troops back to helmand province after they were pulled out in 2014 when the security situation was much better. >> conor, thank you. a veteran who was denied service at a v.a. emergency room went back to his car and killed himself. 76-year-old peter kisen shot himself in the parking lot of the north port veterans affairs medical center on long island. sources say he had been unable to see a physician formental health physicians. the most recent study from the v.a. on veteran suicides states that in 2014, an average of 20
veterans died from suicide each day. 6 of the 20 were users of v.a. services. hillary clinton says donald trump is a -- is leading a fringe group, taking control of the gop. trump says clinton is a bigot. we'll talk about it all with the panel after a quick time-out. beyond has a natural grain free pet food committed to truth on the label. when we say real meat is the first ingredient, it is number one. and we leave out corn, wheat and soy. for your pet, we go beyond.
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hillary clinton isn't just attacking me, she's attacking all of the decent people of all back grounds, doesn't matter, of all backgrounds, who support this incredible once-in-a-lifetime movement. >> duelling speeches today from the two major candidates. one in new hampshire, one in nevada. dealing with race and temperament. hillary clinton in an interview last night said she would do more interaction with reporters. today after the speech, she delivered, and reporters tried to ask her whether donald trump was a racist. here's what she said. [ indiscernible ]
>> so the chocolate's good. let's bridge in our panel. steve hayes, welcome. heidi prizbela, lisa booth, and charles krauthammer. okay, heidi, what about these speeches? obviously both of them pretty pointed and clinton kind of laying it out there about the alt-right and how she says donald trump has led to fringe groups taking over the party. >> you can certainly put trump's speech in the category of preeveryopreem preempti preemptive. in terms oh of the timing, clinton's had a very tough week in terms of the foundation news that's been coming out and the poll numbers tightening. we all know there's no official trump connection to these groups. at the same time, he's leaving her this opening because he's not doing what john mccain did
in 2008, which is when an issue comes up about accusing obama of being muslim or whatever, he's not disavowing that like mccain did. whether he knew that the tweets were coming from white supremist groups or not, he's not drawing that line and repudiating them. i think that the political -- the reason why is that there's also political risk in that. it's real that there are these groups out there supporting him. there were some of them running around at the convention. there's an opportunity cost to also slapping them in the face. >> clinton camp is out with a web ad, a video that connects kkk members who say they support him and kind of goes on and cites david duke and others. what about this from the trump perspective? >> well, yeah, look, i think those are pretty weighted attacks and obviously not something that he wants to face.
but i think using the word bigot is a bridge too far. when he says clinton sees people as color only and not human beings worthy of a better life, if you equate that to african-americans living below the poverty line, workforce participation has dropped for african-americans, that's a stronger line of attack. typically, the conversations regarding minority voters, i think it's interesting to look at african-american voters and the focus of hillary clinton and the trump campaign. >> charles, i mean, will this day, these speeches have an effect on an electorate that
teams like it's getting to a decision? >> i'm not sure it's going to have a big effect. this is the old democratic playbook where you accuse your opponent of being racist. to use add homonyms. there was a point where she said the rise in bullying in schools, alleged, is a result of his rhetoric. i think that's sort of "national enquirer" type stuff. and i do think there's also a problem. there is a guilt by association, yes. but that is always true. politicians are always appearing on stages and welcoming people who have unsavory histories. and i would say that for hillary should be a little careful, since her support for black lives matter, does she really want to be associated with a group that chants about killing cops and nobody would accuse her of supporting that. but that's always a risk. so it's a cheap kind of
political warfare. there are, of course, incidents, the mexican judge story and all that, that even paul ryan had to admit was a form of classical racist speech. i'm not sure this is going to have an effect. and surely his calling her a bigot is not going to have a lot of effect either. we're at the bottom of the barrel of a race that we knew would be low and dirty and that's where we are now. >> in the meantime, a judge has said that the state department has to come forward with these additional e-mails by september 13th in this clinton e-mail investigation. over the past few weeks, we heard clinton campaign spokes people say there is no smoking gun of any quid pro quo from the clinton foundation or the state department. last night, hillary clinton said i know there's a lot of smoke and there's no fire. here's what trey gowdy said today about the investigation and the fbi and what exactly
clinton's lawyers did about the deleted e-mails. >> remember james comey said she was not indicted because he didn't have sufficient evidence on the issue of intent. i didn't see any questions on the issue of intent. he said he didn't go forward with charges because she didn't have specific criminal intent. i didn't see any questions on that. she said she did it for convenience, but i didn't see the follow up questions in the interview i read. why did you delete e-mails that you kept for a year and a half? they didn't just push the delete button, they had them deleted to where god can't read them. they were using something called bleach bit. you don't use that for yoga e-mails or bridesmaids everything mails. when you're using bleach bit, it is something you really do not want the world to see. >> by the way, bleach bit is this technology that essentially sh reds files, hides their content, prevents data recovery, overwrites the free disk space, and they claim maintains
privacy. obviously, it keeps the fbi out of those spots, too. >> i think that's an important point that he just made. there are apparently other details of just what lengths the clinton team, clinton lawyers and others, went to do make sure nobody would ever see these e-mails. i think that's a significant point. in part because of the context in which this whole discussion takes place. you have hillary clinton who didn't secure her e-mails during the time she was secretary of state or for the year and a half after she left office. suddenly when she learns that congress and other government agencies are interested if seeing them, decides to go to these extreme measures, i would say extraordinary measures, to make sure nobody will ever read them again suggests that it goes back to the press conference that james comey gave on july 5th, where he made two statements within moments of one another where he says, on the one hand there's -- we have no
evidence that they did any of this on purpose and they were trying to hide anything, then moments later he said, but the lawyers took these pretty extraordinary steps to make sure that we couldn't do any forensic recovery. we're likely to see that tension between those two statements a and the intent get a lot more question. >> quinnipiac is out with this poll. if you look at question six, which is the honest and trustworthy question, would you say that hillary clinton is honest, quinnipiac has yes, 20%, that's independent votes, 20%. 29% all likely voters. 66% not honest. this falls into that category. donald trump, obviously, his numbers are upside down, as well. >> it does, although i think her numbers have been hovering around 60%, so this is evidence that this latest controversy over the foundation is hurting her numbers.
we never thought that she would necessarily recover in the span of this election. but what we're seeing is that this is going backwards for her, as well. and i think that it just -- it's an example of just how the clintons, throughout all of these controversies, like with the creation of the server, the wall street speeches, had these completely self-inflicted ethics related wounds that they just don't have an ability to perceive before hand how it's going to be perceived by the public. they think in the case of the foundation, we're doing something that is for a good cause. we're doing this for charitable reasons, therefore it's okay to skate on the edges of what is normally acceptable in terms of the conflict of interest. >> the campaign, i think, believes that this speech today puts her back on track. but we'll see if it has that influence in the polls. next up, donald trump and immigration. his former opponents speaking out on his changing tone.
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test. well, i can only say that whatever his views are this morning they might change this afternoon and they were different than they were last night, and they will be different tomorrow it sounds like a typical politician by the way where you get in front of one crowd and say one thing and then say something else to another crowd that may want to hear a different view. all the things that donald trump railed against he seems to be morphing into, kind of disturbing. >> former florida governor jeb bush who essentially lost primarily on the issue of immigration in the primary against donald trump talking today for the first time about this change in tone and words being used by donald trump. we're back with the panel.
lisa, i mean, this is just listening to what trump said to sean hannity last night, i mean, it is completely different than what he said on the primary campaign trail. and listen to jeb bush there, he was the recipient of the attacks. >> from a rhetorical standpoint, yes. i don't think we have seen any policy difference or at least he hasn't laid out that big policy speech that people were expecting, indicating a change. but i think ambiguity is sort of his friend and enemy this election cycle in the sense that he was somewhat -- there is a lot of ambiguity regarding what that mass deportation would look like. that sort of was his friend because he didn't have to get nailed down on the specifics. now it's sort of his enemy and the situation he has presented with right now is a lose, lose in a sense that if he goes with his original statements and when he was talking about, you know, this mass deportation, is he going to get hit from the left. is he going to get hit from the mainstream media inhumane for wanting to follow the law on the books.
if he changes his opinion or allows for some sort of anonymity he will get hit with core constituency. is he presented with a lose-lose scenario at this current moment. >> sure, jeb bush is a guy who got attacked by donald trump for saying it was an act of love, for not to split up families and trump hammered him on the debate stage. i remember it. i was there. >> jeb is absolutely right. this is the position of the gang of eight. the position that we have now heard adopted by trump is the position of rubio and jeb and you could say chuck schumer. to say this is ambiguity i think is not quite right there. is nothing ambiguous about wanting to have a deportation force to expel 11 million people. he was very clear about that. again and again. he didn't have specifics because he never has specifics for anything. but that was his position. his position is not that
today. you watch him on hannity, he is saying, you know, people have been here 20 years, you don't want to kick them out. they have children. they have roots. this is exactly the argument that the soft liners on immigration have been taking. and that trump had denounced and beyond denouncing ridiculed. remember, he once said if i went out on fifth avenue and i shot somebody i wouldn't lose any supporters? well, now it's if i went out and completely reversed position on immigration, which was the central issue in my campaign i wouldn't lose anybody. let's see whether that's true. >> does he want to do this, steve? is this part of this grand plan in the campaign considering that he is not going to lose those people because they have already hardened against hillary clinton and they're motivated to vote for him? >> i think he could lose some of those people. i was talking to a senior republican who was very supportive of donald trump. passionate about this issue.
immigration in particular who said, look, this is why people came to him initially. this is the big argument for him. part of it was strength. part of it was the way that he talked. people supported him because he was strong on immigration. he was stronger than ted cruz. he fought marco rubio. he went after jeb bush again and again and again. that's what donald trump did. it cost some of his support. i don't think these people are going to turn and vote for hillary clinton. but if it dampens their enthusiasm, you look at the support he has got for republicans already it's between 75 and 80% whereas hillary clinton is getting 90% of the democrats. and just the earlier point, rhetoric in a presidential campaign is policy. i mean, we don't need to wait for a presidential speech. this is what he is doing every time he speaks. is he making new policy. and this is a full flip flop. not just on the deportation force but as you suggest, what he outlined last night, so it's very similar to the position that jeb bush ran on in the primaries that trump went after him on and the gang of 8. >> quickly, when you look at these polls, and there is a
trend here, heidi, is this race starting to harden before alicia? aralicia -- labor? day? >> i think it is out of the fact that this is thel ebb and a campaign. numbers start to harden after the convention. i think donald trump being the underdog, however, has both a big challenge but also an opportunity in terms of the debates. that's what we will have to keep our eyes on what kind of donald trump shows up to this debate. >> september 26th should be fun. pam, thank you. that's it for the panel. when we come back, we will celebrate the national park service's 100th birthday. it's a supercomputer. with this grade of protection... it's a fortress. and with this standard of luxury... it's an oasis. introducing the completely redesigned e-class.
national parks. in celebration, there is free admission to all 412 national parks until sunday. that's it for this "special report," fair, balanced and unafraid. kimberly guilfoyle in for greta right now. donald trump is not holdingback back. trump launching out all out attack. i'm kimberly goifl in for greta van susteren. at a rally in new hampshire trump taking swing after swing slamming clinton in what he called the crooked clinton foundation. >> this week the curtain was truly lifted. the corruption was revealed for all to see. the vale was pulled back on a vast criminal enterprise run out of the state department by hillary clinton. [crowd boos] >> as i said weeks ago, hillary clinton ran the